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He has been called to give grace because he received grace. When he gave grace he laid down the self and gave priority to you. Acting benignly and giving grace is not giving love. It can develop into love.I'm giving grace and receiving grace and you are giving grace and receiving grace and both of us have been pronounced guilty and banished to obscurity. If this grace had been given to where it should be given, then it should have been given to our guilt and to our banishment. If it had been we would have been given mercy and grace which is given as mercy is love.M18:21 "When he had started calling in his accounts, a man was brought to him who owed him millions. And when it was plain that he had no means of repaying the debt, his master gave orders for him to be sold as a slave, and his wife and children and all his possessions as well, and the money to be paid over. At this the servant fell on his knees before his master, 'Oh, be patient with me!' he cried, 'and I will pay you back every penny!' Then his master was moved with pity for him, set him free and cancelled his debt. But when this same servant had left his master's presence, he found one of his fellow-servants who owed him a few shillings. He grabbed him and seized him by the throat, crying, 'Pay up what you owe me!' At this his fellow-servant fell down at his feet, and implored him, 'Oh, be patient with me, and I will pay you back!' But he refused and went out and had him put in prison until he should repay the debt. When the other fellow-servants saw what had happened, they were horrified and told their master the whole incident. Then his master called him in. "'You wicked servant!' he said. 'Didn't I cancel all that debt when you begged me to do so? Oughtn't you to have taken pity on your fellow-servant as I, your master, took pity on you? And his master in anger handed him over to the gaolers till he should repay the whole debt. This is how my Heavenly Father will treat you unless you each forgive your brother from your heart."We gave mercy when we gave the relationship space and we got put in prison for not paying our dues towards the relationship. So according to this the debt of relationship space needs to be brought up. I need Clarkie to work out why.
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The inability to walk me.I know she asked for space to match her expectations up with her reality. She expected more friends and her reality was telling her she could find them. She predicted a perfect ending. Presumably when I gave her space and mercy by letting it continue, she realised I had given up on her finding a perfect ending. Presumably she thought I was being merciful because non of my expectations matched up with her reality. I didn't expect her to find more friends, the idea wasn't real and her predictions were inaccurate. This meant the predictions that ended up in a perfect ending couldn't have happened (even if they did happen), because I had given up on her ever admitting to finding a perfect ending. This meant she couldn't get past her prediction that our future has no perfect ending. She gave me no mercy.The ability to walk the dog.If she's unable to reach her perfect ending where is she? She's holed up somewhere on the road to a perfect ending where she doesn't have to predict anything. She's able to stay there because its mutually fair and mutually acceptable for her to stay there. If the unpredictable happens it's not merciful, as per non of her expectations matched up to her reality. If the unpredictable happens it's unfair because her hopes have been dashed. If it happens she would need to move along the road and hole herself up in another place where she doesn't have to predict anything. The dog can be walked to wherever it is right for her to walk it because there is no predicting where it will end up
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Not letting me walk the dogWe were out in the wilderness. Our objective was the top of a mountain. She knew there was only one opportunity to get something to eat. When we arrived the only food available had reached its sell by date. This bothered her and she told me we had to do without. Not wanting to upset her I did without. This meant there was a risk of not reaching our objective. It was the way she said it. It was the way she totalled dismissed the expectation of reaching the objective and I mean this. As if the expectation all along had been getting food and not reaching the mountain top.Bringing in what Oellen said about forgiveness. It was as if she had forgiven the outlet for not having fresh sandwiches and she expected me to do the same. Forgiveness is setting aside an expectation that didn't become reality to prevent it from hurting because it's impossible to fully discharge the damage done. Eating the bread and throwing out the contents wasn't acceptable to her because the damage was being done by the whole sandwich. All that mattered was the rightness of it and this rightness was a stepping stone to the rightness of reaching the mountain top.The details in the dog walking stories given are being given to try to explain what is happening and what can be done about it. We are being left behind so that we can lead a forgiving life***. We are being left behind to fully discharge the past, presumably because there's a belief that the good bits and the bad bits are inseparable. Her sitting at home and not walking the dogShe liked to walk a neighbours dog. The neighbour declined her offer because she was in the middle of baking and she didn't want the dog arriving back into the kitchen in an muddy state. She never asked to walk the dog again. She's living a life that forgives once, that cannot forgive for a second time. She forgives the mess she's created and once forgiven she cannot tidy it up which would mean forgiving it for a second time. She forgives the good she's created and once forgiven she cannot improve upon it which would mean forgiving it for a second time so it doesn't bother her that it deteriorates. She can accept being asked for forgiveness once, but when the issue re-enters her head it is taken to be unforgiving because she's unable to accept being asked for forgiveness to discharge the issue for a second time.
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SadwillowProphecies are either absolutely right or absolutely wrong. The interesting thing about someone who has made a prophecy is that the next step along is to predict the same coming true in others and to give them mercy in case the prophecy comes true and they themselves have to face up to it. So the holiday thoughts are being taken as if they are your thoughts and because he's unable to give mercy to them he turned them into a prophecy.
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Ellen O wrote:Vin - so in many ways he is keeping the fine tether we are attached by, but is not interested in my side of the tether. Can't give me support, but won't release me from thinking about what is happening to me.I KNOW, I KNOW! ONLY I CAN RELEASE MYSELF!!!!!
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